Posted by: rebelliousvanilla on: June 24, 2009
I wonder if chronic lack of understanding of basic economic principles is a requirement to be a supporter of the left. In this case, a conversation about welfare and my argument that is immoral. I will state the definition of morality so that everything is clear:
moral: concerned with principles of right and wrong or conforming to standards of behavior and character based on those principles
My argument for it’s immorality comes from the fact that people are coerced into subsidizing the living of other people, basically violating the rights of the said individuals(rights of property, enjoying the fruits of your labor). Of course, it is also wrong for the government to force you to work for them for around half an year. Many people don’t see it as such, but that’s what the government does when they tax half of your earnings – you pretty much work for them for half an year.
Anyway, in this debate Obama Jr – I have no idea how the guy is named, but he shares the same lack of knowledge about economic principles with Obama – sustained that welfare and wealth redistribution is moral because it creates economic growth. Baffled, I asked him to explain and he only said four words: law of diminishing returns. I asked him to explain and he said that welfare creates economic growth because it maximizes total utility in a certain economy. So I went on to explain to him that the law of diminishing returns refers to the fact that the contribution of a mean of production decreases as more of it is added. Here is this law:
In economics, diminishing returns (also called diminishing marginal returns) refers to how the marginal contribution of a factor of production usually decreases as more of the factor is used. According to this relationship, in a production system with fixed and variable inputs (say factory size and labor), beyond some point, each additional unit of the variable input yields smaller and smaller increases in output. Conversely, producing one more unit of output costs more and more in variable inputs.
So pretty much he was referring to something that is irrelevant to his point and probably wanted to appeal to the law of diminishing marginal utility, which states that as a person increases consumption of a product – while keeping consumption of other products constant – there is a decline in the marginal utility that person derives from consuming each additional unit of that product. First of all, utility is a subjective thing and varries from person to person, but even ignoring this money isn’t a product and it has alternative uses. For example, if I want to start a factory and I need 10 000$ more, the money probably has a smaller utility to someone who just wants to buy a car, even though that person is poorer. But I will make yet another concession and say that he is right on this, even though he is obviously wrong. Let’s just agree for a moment – pretend we’re idiotic – and believe that welfare maximizes the total utility in a country. That won’t create any economic growth though since the goods will be the same. On the long run actually, the country will experience negative economic growth and here is why.
As a conclusion, taxation in order to fund wealth redistribution schemes is an immoral coercive method that also destroys wealth due to the fact that it decreases the amount of investments in the economy, which are the factors that create economic growth and job opportunities. Things destroyed by welfarism. QED.
Hey girl, I’m trolling Pandagon.net. Want to come along and give me some backup?
It might get more traffic to your blog.
A news-reader in Queensland is miffed because she has been moved from one talking-head role paying $700,000 a year to one paying only $400,000.
Meanwhile an American news-reader gets $200 million.
Footballers of 19 years of age here are paid around $500,000 a year for kicking a ball. When they are not kicking the ball they are kicking one another or getting pissed and scoring dope.
Michael Jackson got hundreds of millions for friggin’ singing and prancing and could not even manage to walk forward without going backwards.
The minimum wage in Australia is $ 575 a week.
Economics?????????????????????????
I’ll just tune into you for the news, m’dear. :)
June 24, 2009 at 22:27
was there a solution in that gibberish?